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Post by SmiggieBalls on Sept 10, 2012 0:14:16 GMT -5
Yawn. So how does the fact that millions of Americans are out of work not matter again? Seriously, how does the fact that some people were out of work 4 years ago or 8 years ago or 12 years ago matter to the particular Americans that would like to have a job now? Politics aside, if this country doesn't start creating something that the rest of the world wants, our children are doomed. This sales and service based economy will fail because all of the goods are being created overseas. Yeah, there are jobs serving food her right now and selling goods right now but, eventually, we will all be out of money if this country doesn't create something that will be purchased on the global market. So far, we seem to only be selling real estate on the global market. I'll let someone else mention why that may not be a great thing. Our economy began shifting to service based jobs back in the 80's and has continued down that road ever since. Our manufacturing jobs can never compete on the world market without some sort of intervention, because there are countries where people are willing to work for $1 an hour, pocket change, or pretty beads. It's not our minimum wage laws that hurt jobs, unless we want jobs that pay that sort of measley rate those other countries pay. A good start would be ending any sort of tax breaks or deductions for corporations that move their manufacturing operations out of this country to exploit people like that, and call themsleves "American companies." That's a load of crap. They are screwing both the people in those countries and the people of this country. You move jobs out of this country, you lose the right to write off the payroll costs for those jobs as business expenses. We never had to accept imported goods but the federal government is the regulator of international trade. They enforce all regulations regarding international trade. Right? Why have we allowed other countries to rule the electronics manufacturing industry? Has Barak not had enough time to put some import restrictions in place? Oh, yeah, he has not even attempted to do so. Why, then are all electronic devices manufactured overseas? Because the people and the government of the United States of America think that is where they should be manufactured. Why don't we have energy independence? Because the people of this country, especially those in the D party in government, believe that energy independence must be solar, ethanol or wind or it is crap. It isn't about writing off the payroll...it is about the fact that the payroll here costs 10-20 times as much as the payroll elsewhere. The folks here had better do a damned good job for 10-20 times the pay.
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Post by poopsy on Sept 10, 2012 0:37:51 GMT -5
We never had to accept imported goods but the federal government is the regulator of international trade. They enforce all regulations regarding international trade. Right? Why have we allowed other countries to rule the electronics manufacturing industry? Has Barak not had enough time to put some import restrictions in place? Oh, yeah, he has not even attempted to do so. Why, then are all electronic devices manufactured overseas? Because the people and the government of the United States of America think that is where they should be manufactured. Why don't we have energy independence? Because the people of this country, especially those in the D party in government, believe that energy independence must be solar, ethanol or wind or it is crap. It isn't about writing off the payroll...it is about the fact that the payroll here costs 10-20 times as much as the payroll elsewhere. The folks here had better do a damned good job for 10-20 times the pay. The practice of allowing companies to export jobs and then importing the products made with $1 per hour or less labor started LONG before Obama. And he has tried to put forward proposals like I suggested above regarding punishing corporations that do this and rewarding those who don't do this through the tax codes. It has been opposed at every step along the way by the Republican Party. As far as energy independence through drilling for oil here (if that is not what you meant, i apologize), that is the biggest load of crap being put forth by Republicans in a long time. We have about 2% of proven oil reserves here, but let's take the most optimistic estimates of Republicans and conservatives, and say we have 15% of world oil reserves. If we were able to get at all of that oil, it doesn't stay here. Unless we go to a true socialist system (not the bullshit being attributed to Obama, but a true socialist system where the government controlled the means of production and distribution of oil), then it would go for sale on the world markets. Would it have some small effect on oil prices? Probably a very small effect, and very temporary. The OPEC nations who control the other 85% of oil reserves can manipulate the market very easily by controlling production on their lands.
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Post by SmiggieBalls on Sept 10, 2012 0:50:59 GMT -5
We never had to accept imported goods but the federal government is the regulator of international trade. They enforce all regulations regarding international trade. Right? Why have we allowed other countries to rule the electronics manufacturing industry? Has Barak not had enough time to put some import restrictions in place? Oh, yeah, he has not even attempted to do so. Why, then are all electronic devices manufactured overseas? Because the people and the government of the United States of America think that is where they should be manufactured. Why don't we have energy independence? Because the people of this country, especially those in the D party in government, believe that energy independence must be solar, ethanol or wind or it is crap. It isn't about writing off the payroll...it is about the fact that the payroll here costs 10-20 times as much as the payroll elsewhere. The folks here had better do a damned good job for 10-20 times the pay. The practice of allowing companies to export jobs and then importing the products made with $1 per hour or less labor started LONG before Obama. And he has tried to put forward proposals like I suggested above regarding punishing corporations that do this and rewarding those who don't do this through the tax codes. It has been opposed at every step along the way by the Republican Party. As far as energy independence through drilling for oil here (if that is not what you meant, i apologize), that is the biggest load of crap being put forth by Republicans in a long time. We have about 2% of proven oil reserves here, but let's take the most optimistic estimates of Republicans and conservatives, and say we have 15% of world oil reserves. If we were able to get at all of that oil, it doesn't stay here. Unless we go to a true socialist system (not the bullshit being attributed to Obama, but a true socialist system where the government controlled the means of production and distribution of oil), then it would go for sale on the world markets. Would it have some small effect on oil prices? Probably a very small effect, and very temporary. The OPEC nations who control the other 85% of oil reserves can manipulate the market very easily by controlling production on their lands. And Obama has done exactly zero to change the trade imbalance. Zero. He has not talked about it. He has not sent anyone to ask Congress to change it. Diddly.Squat. Zero. Post a link if you find anything that Barak has done in the past 3 years about the trade imbalance. Double dog dare. Oil drilling: While I'm sure that some would prefer to be free from the possible environmental damage that could arise when offshore drilling is taking place, I believe that we should take advantage of the oil off the shores of the continental United States. We had one bad leak and suddenly oil became the devil. FFS, we still need it. Don't give other countries millions of dollars to help them drill it so we can buy it. Let's open up the permit process and get the black gold flowing.
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Post by poopsy on Sept 10, 2012 1:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by poopsy on Sept 10, 2012 1:14:33 GMT -5
And as far as oil drilling, I don't know what else to say besides my post before. We simply do not have enough oil reserves, even with the most generous estimates (inlcuding off shore reserves), to seriously affect global prices. And any oil we allow American companies to drill for there will, like all other oil, be sold on the open world market. The only way to keep that oil here for American use only would be to socialize the oil industry. Not likely to happen.
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